Really really surprised...........

8 ..........by the increasing number of new grads/almost new grads who openly express a desire to take a job and undergo orientation, all the while planning to leave that position shortly after orientation. It's seemingly all about the short-term need for a paycheck, regardless of the impact on anyone else. No doubt, there have always been those who have no problem deceiving an employer, but I don't think they used to be so open about it.

I do realize that the days of benevolent employers are long over but it just doesn't seem right to knowingly short-change an employer. I'm starting to see that there are many components to the reality that employers are reluctant to hire new grads.
Quote from roser13..........by the increasing number of new grads/almost new grads who openly express a desire to take a job and undergo orientation, all the while planning to leave that position shortly after orientation. It's seemingly all about the short-term need for a paycheck, regardless of the impact on anyone else. No doubt, there have always been those who have no problem deceiving an employer, but I don't think they used to be so open about it.I do realize that the days of benevolent employers are long over but it just doesn't seem right to knowingly short-change an employer. I'm starting to see that there are many components to the reality that employers are reluctant to hire new grads.

Employers used to be more loyal, too. Now when they no longer need you, they'll send you packing without a second thought. Although I'm the type who likes to settle in and stay a while, I was taught to never be faithful to a business. I'll provide for them as long as I get what I want/need in exchange. I don't feel obligated to take it beyond that.

Quote from Orange TreeEmployers used to be more loyal, too. Now when they no longer need you, they'll send you packing without a second thought. Although I'm the type who likes to settle in and stay a while, I was taught to never be faithful to a business. I'll provide for them as long as I get what I want/need in exchange. I don't feel obligated to take it beyond that.

Quote from xtxrnBut do you go into a job planning on leaving before you're even done with orientation???

It will catch up with them at some point. The future employer will look at the resume and connect the dots. No one wants an employee who seemingly doesn't care about the thousands invested for training an RN. A very short employement term at one location will raise red flags or at least it totally did in our units when we interviewed people.

I totally agree with the OP. I honestly don't think alot of new grads plan to go elsewhere when starting a new job, it just may happen that a better opportunity shows up. Employers can fire us over any reason so we can leave for any reason.

I can recall from my own new grad orientation program into the ICU setting that there was a stipulation in the hiring contract which obliged me to work ~24 months for the hospital upon finishing orientation. If this was not fulfilled, then the hospital could have me pay back a portion of the expense the hospital paid in training me. I know of other new grad in the ICU which this type of contract. I don't know if general/floor nursing contacts work the same.

Quote from WolfpackRedI can recall from my own new grad orientation program into the ICU setting that there was a stipulation in the hiring contract which obliged me to work ~24 months for the hospital upon finishing orientation. If this was not fulfilled, then the hospital could have me pay back a portion of the expense the hospital paid in training me. I know of other new grad in the ICU which this type of contract. I don't know if general/floor nursing contacts work the same.

It's people like this who make the whole job pool much more complicated too..

That's crazy. I've only held three nursing jobs (first one lasted >1 year and still employed at the other two), and I completely resented orientation. The monotonous lectures on the hospital's philanthropy and emergency management plan and blah blah blah.Only worth it if they cater breakfast and lunch.

You shouldn't be surprised. New Grads have bills to pay starting with that unbankruptable student loan set. We all will take whatever job we can get! I took one at an LTAC knowing that I would be only on the LTC wing. I can't say that I planned on leaving before I took the job. I can't say that was in the minds of my fellow graduates that also took jobs there and have either left or are looking to leave. But, I will say that I will leave as soon as I can and that the ONLY reason I haven't quit is because I still have things I can learn, can further develop my skills AND I need the paycheck.I programmed computers for 18 years. I have lost the vast majority of my positions to India or to a company that downsized and started with the IT department. It didn't matter if I was a "permanent" employee or a contractor. The corporation has no loyalty to you.....they should not expect anything in return. Remember, it is just business. It is just business that this facility cut the CNA hours from FT, 5 days per week to 4 days. It didn't matter to the company that the CNAs earn little as it is and have bills to pay. The company does not want to pay OT, so the nurses are threatened with "if you do not clock out by end of shift, you will be written up". Sorry, I will not work for free. The company feels OK with their decisions, as it is just business. Well for the new nurse needing experience, it is just business.Also, for the person who mentioned "red flag" of a short time employment...remember, "orientation is a period where both the employer and employee determine if the position is a good fit". As a new grad, we THINK that we want a position in XYZ section of nursing, get it and some go OMG! I don't want this after all. ONE short position can be easily explained away.....especially if one has prior employment of a long term nature.

I think that part of the problem is that often times, the only positions open to new grads is med/surg or LTC, which is not a specialty that most new grads want for the long term. The only job I could get hired into as a new grad was med/surg. Even though I was finally hired, I still was applying for L&D/Maternity because that is what I wanted to do and what I went into nursing for. I wont lie, I totally used my current position to get my dream one, and I dont feel bad about it at all (and I haven't quit-yet. I am still per diem, but just maintaining the minimum hours to stay on the roster). If more specialties were open to training new grads, then perhaps others such as med/surg and LTC wouldn't have such a high turnover. While I do find that med/surg has been a wonderful background and starting job, I don't think it was necessary before specializing elsewhere. I think that with proper orientation and training and being adequately precepted and mentored, that a new grad can most definitely thrive in specialized areas.