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Is there a proper way to chart what a patient/resident says?Rating: (votes: 0) How would you like it if a coworker charted a statement that made it appear that you had not administered the patient's medications (when you know you did)? Comment:
I would chart it as:Resident stated that evening shift nurse "didn't give me meds all day and told the aides not to come into my room." I was taught not to use names in charting, unless you are mentioning family members.
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Moved to General Nursing Discussion for our seasoned veteran's advice.
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In that situation I might have charted: Resident stated that the staff "didn't give me my meds all day!"In this way, you are still quoting the patient directly without naming staff members. The only time I ever use another staff member's name in charting is if I am transferring a patient to another department, I would chart "verbal report given to Jill, RN 3rd floor."
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Threads merged.
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I agree. I would have wrote: resident states "my Meds werent given to me all day!"
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I would certainly put any quotes in context as well-such as body language, pacing, shaking fists, and that MAR was checked, prior nurse spoken to and verifies patient received medications, staff has noted signs of agitation, any other comments, not just the ones that seem to hang your co-worker. Is he cursing? Threatening to report everyone? Threatening to leave? We could be quoting all day long on some folks. I sometimes paraphrase with quotes put in: patient states that prior nurse "refused to give me my medication all day long". As you gain more experience you will find a style of charting that suits you while staying within legal boundaries, but isn't necessarily textbook.
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I'll paraphrase for the most part, but I always try to quote verbatim if a patient is threatening staff for any reason real or imagined. Yes, that includes profanities...I've written notes full of the 7 words you can't say on television, racial slurs, gibberish, etc., because that's exactly what the patient said (nor do I asterik (sp) or blank out parts of the word either). Keep in mind that I'm in psych, so we have to consider whether there's any real weight behind these threats...plus documentation helps if a Tarasoff/notification, legal hold, or other action is required. I avoid putting in other staff names but will use their title (e.g, "patient yelled at LVN"). However names go in if I'm writing that they received report or that they did something for me that I didn't or couldn't do (e.g., "[male] patient searched for contraband by Dave, RN. Nothing was found"). In your case, I would have wrote, "Patient was complaining that staff did not give him his medication today as well as told other staff not to enter the room. Patient also made threatening statements to staff: "I'm gonna **** you up!' " And of course, chart body language, affect, etc., as well as what you did about the matter (if anything).
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I agree with other posters that there may have been a better way to chart what the patient said without using another staff members name. I have come across the same situation as well and wouldn't have written the persons name. Sort of like when you write a incident report you don't put that in your charting.
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I would have been angry, too. Now you know better. I have a resident who always accuses the CNAs of stealing her money. As in daily. Of course I don't chart that, paraphrasing or not. We chart by exception. Crazy, demented old people saying crazy, demented stuff is *not* exceptional.
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Quote from liveyourlife747I agree. I would have wrote: resident states "my Meds werent given to me all day!"
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Quote from hey_suzIf you put it in quotes, it has to be verbatim.Pt states, "[day shift nurse] didn't give me my medicine all day, and he told the aides not to come in my room." This would leave the staff name out but still quote the patient.I was taught the same thing. If a patient cusses me out, you bet I quote it in the chart.
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